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It was noted that this is a zoning board, not planning board issue which is probably why the same zoning board meeting attendees were not there. They were going to lose that fight, the homes had no historical significance other than their age. My recommendation is to grab those schedules and put them on your calendar/phone/planner...whatever you use to remember upcoming events. HACKETTSTOWN ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WIFM and what are they doing to cross that hurdle of a residential and historic variance? I guess that's part of the strategy too. Why would someone from Chester want to serve on a Hackettstown Parking Authority Board?..Must be some kind of political perk involved. This Quick Chek project would be an absolute DISASTER. The zoning board had a legal right to deny the D1 variance if they chose to. I can't actually find a direct link to it from the hackettstown.net site, though oddly under the land development code, a service station is defined as not only selling gas and other fluids needed by a vehicle, but states "and" provides repairs, which Quick Chek wouldn't do. Jim L - how does the town make these openings known to the general public? Due to meeting room capacity issues at the regular location for the subject applicant: Case #Z16-05, Quick Chek Corp., Block 122, Lots 8-12 & 10.01, the meeting is being relocated to a larger facility. Maybe we can open another vape shop? FORMAL ACTION MAY OR MAY NOT BE TAKEN. 1) No amount of testimony can convince me that the fuel smells will not be an issue to the nearby homes. Thank you Greg and Darrin...couldn't agree with you more. Those letters are not about agenda items they are more like " I want to thank the board..." or "there is an event coming up that I want to let you know about.." They are not opinions about agenda items. I had a similar conversation with them when they were campaigning door to door last month. The Hackettstown Zoning Board of Adjustment meeting Tuesday, August 15, 2017 will be held at 7:30 PM at Trinity House, 212 E. Moore Street, Hackettstown, New Jersey. CC: The regularly scheduled meeting of the Town of Hackettstown Board of Adjustment will be held on And don't be fooled by the rosy ratable rap they lay down, especially from QC hired experts. The busy intersection is the exact reason why QC wanted that lot. It is definitely going in front of the zoning board on January 17th at 7:30 pm - notices have been served. Peter Paftinos being on the committee will NOT have anything to do with this building going up. ^ WaWa is going next to Applebees. January 17th at 7:30PM -- Municipal Building A chance. So to recap, there will be no more public meeting in town and no more votes, so if anyone is going around telling you the issue is not over and they will fight to stop it, please know that is not accurate information. Lets face it the properties were not purchased for the high volume of rent they generate. You can find general more information here If they end up proposing that, I suspect it will get a far better response from the town board. That entire block could be raised. "Progress" which it is, not the literal meaning of progress which it isn't. I have never gone to any board meeting where correspondence is not a normal agenda item. 27. The current configuration, even though it already has traffic issues currently acts as a good buffer between highly commercial Mountain Avenue and the College District. We meet once a week and have 3 employees. If the zoning board approves this application, it will be built as such, so the next zoning meeting will be VERY important for everyone to be at! WaWa there make sense. He thought everyone would lie down and kiss his feet because of his status and his family status (as some have probably done past and present). After testimony from the property owner expert, extensive community testimony both pro and con regarding the project, as well as response from the applicant, the zoning board voted to approve the demolishing of the 5 homes with a condition. Those judges just interpret the existing law. They needed to skip the January meeting so this is a continuation from the December 19th meeting. This current format work best for all. and btw Lili - often section 8 people work at minimum wage jobs - and not always by choice - and can't pay a rent without some help - maybe they should be homeless??? Interestingly enough the Historical Society doesn't require owners to replace with original materials so a bit of a catch 22. Meetings Act. Now it seems the residents on the other side of town are next. Do you know if there is an actual map of the historic district? It's near the school(s) providing an "attractive nuisance" for those environments. Of course, the big guys rolled all over the people just as they rolled over the planners. We do not have any say in those kind of projects. - I just think this is the wrong place for one. I like to wrong the one at Hastings Square. We can look back to 1918 and get a glimpse of what it’s like to lose the 1st amendment under what was called the Sedition Act of 1918. But pick someplace more conducive to commercial and less conducive to destroying our historic residential center of town. slow down and look 6 seconds ahead and check for taxi drivers. yea it's annoying that there are 2 important meetings tonight. Frankly, my only issue with Paftinos going on the Parking Authority is timing --- could it not have waited until the process has indeed played out? It's all about greed. RU it is not dead. There are 2 carwashes in the area already. Am I correct? " underneath from damage, so to me that's rather odd, but then again. The agenda is posted on the town website: As advertised, action may be taken at this meeting. Leaving Sunday afternoon for a week of testing at Penn Transplant Institute, For anyone Interested in signing the petition Sunday at 1 in the parking lot at hot beagles of broad on mountain ave let me know. Oh I have no delusions, the bulk of the space will be developed as commercial and ultimately I have no problem with that - good car wash which I hear is also in the mix, sure, not the best, but better than a gas station. According to one of the lawyers (I think his name was Roger? The proposed project includes tearing down a few homes on Washington St so that the entire bottom half of the hill on Mountain and Washington will be a new store, gas station, parking lot, outside eating tables. Come on. Drive by Washington's stores at night and take notice. Case #16-05, Quick Chek Corp –Site Plan Application - Continuation If they are not historical then the 3 on mountain can come down. "Those houses bought up for demolition purposes were absolute dumps." Reminder: Meeting is coming up next week. Old/New Business One of the fundamental and most long-standing debates in the philosophy of medicine relates to the basic concepts of health and disease (see concepts of health and disease).It may seem obvious what we mean by such statements: people seek treatment from medical professionals when they are feeling unwell, and clinicians treat … One main problem I see is that Main Street, a local street thru the center of town, is also a State Highway ( Rt. The current owner is committed to the QC deal regardless of the impact to residents. What need? BUT those 15 homes could be replaced by about 40 attractive row houses (not apt. Residents look at zoning as a promise of what will always surround them, but this town has proven time and time again that is not the case, bring enough money and pretty pictures and they will allow you to change just about anything I do find it strange that even with a clear cut code on the books that zoning is not to be changed if impacts will be detrimental to the surrounding properties the board still approved this without a single "NO" vote. In other words a state highway?.. Property owners or residents can fill certain committees. ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT QC does not have to go before land use board for their site plan now. Also Washington Ave has historical houses, who wants to see another gas station. If not then sorry I see no conflict of interest having him sit on the non paying parking Authority Committee while one of his project is in front of the zoning board. :-). I must say thus far the public is able to speak after each expert's testimony is complete. Well I would like to know what happened to it because it sure as hell did not reach my account. I should add, The applicant did receive the Highlands approval. JIT if you go to the bottom of the town's website this information is actually being presented at next week's planning board meeting Hopefully the town shows a little more resolve this time. Thanks, Because right now, their constituency is wincing. No need to tear anything down unless there was fire (or some other) damage. They will present their application at the next meeting. RE: December 19, 2017 MEETING Only the exterior is considered from what they testified so if vinyl siding went up it would hide the workmanship of the original exterior Or the final option is they deem them not historical and grant the rezoning. Why fix something that doesn't need to be fixed? 8. If you are interested I have a quick and easy legal email layout that you can just email to the construction office rather then filling out the long handed form if you want to request information, and I believe they have 7 business days (legally) to make the information available to you. The owner has also removed all the fencing and sheds on the properties. Point is that it's a mixed-use Historic District consisting of residential and commercial concerns. The question about " Does our Historical district ordinance have any power to prevent homes in the district from being demoed" should not be the question --- that should have been answered with the creation of the Historic District. Maybe, if this thing must go through (ugh!) The only way the bypass would be feasible now looking at it aerially would be to build an extension of the Applebee's driveway across the Musconetcong and eventually hook up with Hearthstone Drive east of Peachtree Village. What did the planning board discuss tonight? That area is dangerous enough as it is to enter/exit at peak times. He was saying that the intersection there needs improvement. Quick Check should upgrade their building (like Dunkin did a few years ago...) or just get rid of it entirely, once the Wawa goes in. enlighten me: http://www.hackettstown.net/ What an eye sore. I think that is one reason QC is trying so hard to get the Mtn Ave location. No date but some details : Not saying I am for this project in any way, but If you don't attend meetings, you loose your right to complain It would actually likely have preserved the clapboarding, etc. Jim, thank you for the clarification, I did not understand. Christine that's great you been on parking authority for 10 years. Which was the goal anyway. Check his blind spot before moving and then use his mirror while backing up slowly. I do think you need to bring up your concerns. New Jersey and Alaska I’m praying for you all, keep your head up and stay strong. Terrie Allen(Class D),1st Alternate………………………….2018 I believe the still have to approve changing from residential to commercial too right? i agree that more power and laws should be put into the historical society, otherwise, what is to stop this from happening to all of the historical society.....whats the point of a historical society at all if they have no standing? For now it sounds like both matters will be heard on April 18th. Case #Z17-05, Donald D. Dienst Block 94, Lot 6 People need to learn to move on and improve the town instead of keeping status quo and massive emigration from the area. I would have assumed the accurate information would have been sought out and understood by now. And those that keep beating the 'historic' dead horse --- enough already --- there is nothing the zoning board can do about our swiss cheese historic guidelines. Two gas stations with convenience stores across the street. saw this link online as well http://www.thepetitionsite.com/local/US/NJ/Hackettstown/ For residential, I sort of doubt you will see new single family there, so maybe some sort of cluster. Paul Bardyszewski(Class B)……………………………….. 2017 105 by the way. Yes, it will be a long fight. Someone mentioned homeowners w/in certain feet of QC project were notified. A mega Quick Chek gas station would be awesome on Mountain Avenue! I'm sorry trekster3 but you are wrong. The public was asked for comments after he was done. I couldn't make the meeting, though I'd have liked to. 2 - Find an architect/engineering firm willing to draw up detailed plans pro bono, since there is much talent in this area which is also concerned about the town. We just had another member appointed and he is from the Brewery store. The BOE meeting is being streamed live as well as will be available to watch at a later date while the zoning board is not tape. There are "rules" in the development code, just not sure how precise versus subjective they are. Phil D - We you referring to me? Our Police dept. I live on Church Street, less than 2 blocks from the college's front gate. The appointment and closeness between members doesn't do much to inspire transparency & trust. Being on a committee gives you direct lines of communication to other committees as well as the mayor. That's great Walking Girl, It was never about race, as they argued. http://www.co.warren.nj.us/download/historic.pdf. They could state that they anticipate the rest of the approvals and a completion date of 2020 if approved, but nothing else. you can even just dial in, you don't even need a computer! Please tell me what I am missing, or if I am totally off base. Rd. We have all seen how these gas stations can backup before a storm, holiday weekend, or other events Two are empty because the owner is planning on tearing all of them down so he did not rent them again. Metsman - yes + they are asking for a zoning variance to tear down 2 houses on Washington St (zoning away from residential) and 2 or 3 houses on Mt. Without rezoning on Washington I don't think QC can build their mega-store/gas station. The first hurdle is if the homes are of historic value, since they are in the historic district. Frankly I'm convinced that if I had a good enough lawyer, I could conceivably tear down my historic home and build a modern monstrosity in its place unchallenged. Choose your driving school based on reputation and experience…not price. Who bought them, owns them, and let them turn into the slum looking garbage they are. What about the house to the right of the Shell station across from the old Hess? Naturally the answer was absolutely not" https://www13.state.nj.us/pls/nj_public/f?p=647:5:0::NO:RP:: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/local/US/NJ/Hackettstown/, http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2014/11/tale_of_2_gas_stations_on_fult.html, http://liherald.com/stories/Opposition-to-Costco-gas-station-in-Lawrence-builds,41856?page=2&content_source=, http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2016/03/neighbors_concerned_about_high.html, http://www.mysuburbanlife.com/2017/03/08/residents-oppose-proposed-glen-ellyn-gas-station/axhjkz0/, https://www.facebook.com/groups/144264362819283/, http://www.nj.gov/dep/hpo/1identify/nrsr_lists.htm, http://www.nj.gov/dep/hpo/1identify/nrsr_lists/Warren.pdf, https://www.nps.gov/nr/publications/bulletins/nrb16a/nrb16a_II.htm, http://www.highlands.state.nj.us/njhighlands/warren_county/hackettstown/town_of_hackettstown%20.pdf, https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjk7YLqrJbVAhUINT4KHW4UC-kQFghWMAk&url=, http://www.hackettstown.net/land-development-code/, https://www13.state.nj.us/pls/nj_public/f?p=TAXLIST:11:0::NO::PAMS_PIN:2108_124_13, http://companynj.com/hackettstown-properties-inc.641223.company.v2, http://www.co.warren.nj.us/download/historic.pdf, https://patch.com/new-jersey/hackettstown/quick-check-mountatin-ave-project-update, http://www.hackettstown.net/planning-zoning-boards/, https://wrnjradio.com/new-quickchek-will-replace-old-quickchek-along-mountain-ave-in-hackettstown/, https://www.nj.com/business/2020/12/nj-based-quickchek-chain-bought-by-large-retailer-for-645m.html, Bose Cinemate Home Theater Speaker System. So no point suggesting what should be built until we learn the fate of the 5 homes. cloudyday - I don't think they mean BP and High St at all. They did it that way with CVS, often times making the public speak at the next month's meeting when everyone had forgotten what was talked about, and the experts would just say "I went over that" but with phase 2 of bergen tool, they shoved it right through in 2-3 meetings and basically said screw off there will be no other presentations when asked by the public. This committee should have clear standards, written down. They want to knock down 3 houses on mountain Ave and 2 on Washington I believe I don't know what is going in the dry cleaners. Am I correct? If there are openings they are advertised on our town home page. @Greg, you're absolutely right especially since that has been a proven pattern already. The traffic won't just be cars but delivery trucks for the much larger QuickCheck store and gas tankers. Hackettstown chose a republican mayor. Regrettably due to the fact I have my own business, and also sell Real Estate I Knew I just didn't have the time necessary to devote to position. I have been at meetings where the Mayor asked if anyone was interested. Insane. Ask the folks by the CVS and Bank of America how that's working out. If you projected a higher annual household income then you claimed, you may owe tax credits you received in advance up to the repayment limit for your income when you file 8962 at tax time.. That means you can't pay higher than the amount listed for your family size and % of the Federal Poverty Level (amounts are subject to change each year, so always double check this year's repayment limits). 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